Only in your mind and in your rabid hatred for Obama could you believe that.....
All the work Obama did in Chicago = ZIP
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gshabo |
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If you want to compare those two, you know Mccain has actually done quite a lot to help people, while Obama has done zip. She and her husband are in it
for themselves, and don't give two sh*ts about anybody else. Let's face it, you guys had to reach deep to pull adultry out of the hat.
Only in your mind and in your rabid hatred for Obama could you believe that..... All the work Obama did in Chicago = ZIP |
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gshabo |
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I guess we were supposed to dislike Reagan because he got a divorce too
I don't know, did Reagan cheat on his wife multiple times like McCain? |
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gshabo |
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Well said! I agree for the most part. What broke my heart about Clinton was that he stated that he did not have sexual relations. I believed him because a
president wouldn't outright lie (I was young). He did and it shattered my image of him morally. I think Clinton became a part of a witch hunt from a party
that had an intense hatred for him. It never should have taken place. Clinton should have acknowledged it, and it should've ended there.
I won't slam McCain any more than I did Clinton for his affairs (I hold them both in poor regards in that area). It's disappointing. I think both Clinton and McCain are a lot alike. Both are arrogant. Both have tempers. Both committed adultry. Both seek out the center in politics. |
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theplainstruth |
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Only in your mind and in your rabid hatred for Obama could you believe that.....
All the work Obama did in Chicago = ZIP I guess you really haven't looked at all the things Cindy Mccain has done. You know, the mine clearing she has personally participated in, helping children around the world with facial deformities get the surgery they need, just run of the mill stuff. As for Obama's money making schemes in Chicago, I'm quite aware of what he did. Too bad all those people he represented have nothing to show for the effort. I don't know, did Reagan cheat on his wife multiple times like McCain? I do deplore adultery, but just how long does a person have to continue to pay for mistakes made in their private life? If this is ongoing, it would be one thing, but in Mccain's case nearly 30 years have passed, I'd say if your picking at that old wound, you must be desperate. |
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And just what is this time limit you speak of. 20 years....30?
Hell, I thought adults, especially Presidential candidates, had to take responsibility and deal with the consequences of every bad decision made for the rest of their life. Just curious...I mean...I'm gettin on up there. Some of my crap ought to drop off the charts...
These times are so uncertain, there's a yearning undefined...and people filled with rage.
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theplainstruth |
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I never said a person should have to pay for mistakes in their personal lives forever, nor has anyone I know. Your desperate act to try to paint this as an inconsistency in conservative philosophy is laughable. Of course, on the heels of the meltdown in consistency most libs have had over the NYT piece, I can see why you'd try. I haven't read where Mccain was being held up as a model of virtue, only the more qualified of two very poor candidates for our nation's highest office. It is also laughable that dems would attack Cindy Mccain, who isn't campaigning, and be blind to her many good works, which out number those of any dem first lady candidate in my lifetime. Now back to the real problem, Michelle Obama. She is openly campaigning for her husband, and has done very little to help the human condition in her quest for power and fortune. |
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gshabo |
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It is also laughable that dems would attack Cindy Mccain, who isn't campaigning, and be blind to her many good works, which out number those of any
dem first lady candidate in my lifetime.
Who the hell are these Dems you reference? Kind of funny that Cindy has remained untouched by the "liberal" media that you despise. Noone is attacking her for her past misdeeds in the press. It's practically a non-issue. It seems attacks on potential first ladies come from the angry right! |
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theplainstruth |
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I was referring to those on this thread. The media has left her alone for the most part, because she has stayed out of the campaign. If she were running for
President, she might be more qualified than her husband, and is infinitely more qualified than Obama.
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It is always good to drag up something 30 years old to fight an argument that is making news today. I dont think JOhn McCain is an altar boy. He was not the
issue. MIchelle Obama and her elitist attitude and self promoting ways and her being out of touch with the voting populace was.
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gshabo wrote:
Obama did very little in Chicago, and what he did do was either uninspiring or questionable, so "zip" is actually quite accurate. PT
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Well . . .
I have looked into what Obama did as a "community organizer" and it is like trying to eat jello with a chopsticks. I would try to compare it to what Jesse Jackson does but on a micro scopic scale. He rounded up as many black people as he could find to go and complain to local governments and businesses that they were being mistreated and from the testimony of some organizees, Obama wasn't very good at. In other words, he didn't get the results they expected. |
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Yall are on MO about a comment concerning $600..
"While Cindy McCain, her dependent children and the trusts and companies they control made as much as $29 million -- and likely substantially more -- from her family's business interests from 2004 through last year, data from the Internal Revenue Service, the U.S. Senate, U.S. Office of Government Ethics and the Center for Responsive Politics also reveals that they spent $11 million purchasing five condominiums for the family, hired additional household help and racked up progressively larger credit cards bills almost every year. Their credit card bills peaked between January 2007 and May 2008, during which time Cindy McCain charged as much as $500,000 in a single month on one American Express card and $250,000 on another, while one of their two dependent children had an AmEx card with a monthly balance as large as $50,000." Who's out of touch? Who's an elitist? Who's self promoting? If you think she's off limits cause she's pretty much kept her mouth shut, think again. No holds barred here. and you can believe her cash has been campaigning. I would imagine she stays in the background for a reason....she can't defend legitimate attacks on her character. If not for the silver spoon she would be in jail for her acts. She defrauded a company she helped found, by stealing and doing the drugs that were for their patients. You or I would be running from the law, not running for the Whitehouse. I can see why you don't like Michelle. She's a woman of good character who's strong willed and speaks her mind. That type thing doesn't go over too well on your side of the aisle. I'll gladly stack up Michelle against Cindy any day TPT. That we know for fact, Cindy stomped on 3 of the 10 commandments and committed at least 3 of the 7 deadly sins.
That's a big hole to dig your way out of.... Truly, the wives never make a difference come voting time so this banter, while entertaining, is trivial.
These times are so uncertain, there's a yearning undefined...and people filled with rage.
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Perhaps, N2, but Michelle O! is out there campaigning so what she says is fair game just as BIll's comments were fair game when he was shilling for
Hillary. The $600 ear ring is not a big deal in and of itself though it does show how a bit out of touch she is. $600 for a family can buy a lot of food at say
Costco or Sam's Club. It - or $1200 or $1800 depending on your status - could make the difference between a good month and a bad month for a lot of folks.
For someone who has been part of a campaign run on hope, change and judgement, of not being 'business as usual' and of more common background, Michelle
really needs to watch her remarks. Or, you know...
"Let them eat organic arugula!!" I'm happy to keep the focus on Barry Obama's lack of accomplishments though. Particularly, let's revisit his Chicago career. Let's set the old Wayback Machine to June of 1985: From June 1985 to May 1988, Obama was a community organizer with the Developing Communities Project in Chicago, working primarily to organize a housing project called Altgeld Gardens. Obama likes to claim credit for what he accomplished there - particularly in terms of asbestos removal. However, Hazel Johnson (a community organizer who has lived in Altgeld Gardens since 1962) recalls it rather differently: Hazel Johnson, who has lived at Altgeld Gardens since 1962, said Obama appears to be referring to a woman who is no longer living. But Johnson, who said she worked on the asbestos issue at the same time as Obama, said she doesn't know of any other work that Obama did at Altgeld Gardens aside from helping on asbestos. "I like him, he is a nice, young intelligent man, but some of the things he said are not true," said Johnson. "I was organizing, doing that work before Obama even came to the Gardens." Obama portrays his time as an organizer as the genesis of his political aspirations. "My work took me to some of Chicago's poorest neighborhoods [where] I received the best education I ever had," Obama said in launching his campaign last year. Indeed, Altgeld Gardens really doesn't sound much like the "success story" that politicians prefer to claim: For all its impact on Obama, Altgeld Gardens today seems far from the kind of success story politicians like to tout. Dozens of buildings are boarded up, with fences surrounding much of the property. The roads are a potholed mess. Blinking lights illuminate a series of towers where police have mounted cameras. Other than that, and not being able to really explain what a community organizer actually did/does, Obama has little to show for his role there. Skipping over his finishing a book while in Bali - wtf? - Obama returns to Chicgao where he directed Illinois Project Vote! from April-October 1992. This was a project for ACORN - an ostensibly non-partisan (but actually partisan) voter registration group often charged with voter registration fraud. That's not the only fraud doing a decent albatross impression around ACRON's neck. No one mentioned has paid attention to the New York Times account of on misappropriated funds at two prominent national nonprofit groups - ACORN and the Points of Light Institute, noting a difference in how the groups dealt with their scandals: Acorn chose to treat the embezzlement of nearly $1 million eight years ago as an internal matter and did not even notify its board. After Points of Light noticed financial irregularities in early June, it took less than a month for management to alert federal prosecutors, although group officials say they have no clear idea yet what the financial impact may be. In this case, the NYT glosses over Obama's connection to ACORN even though it had previously reported that Obama helped fund ACORN while he was on the boards of the Woods Fund and the Joyce Foundation. The paper further missed disturbing allegations regarding the ACORN Housing Corporation (AHC) made by the Consumers Rights League: Despite raking in a troubling 40 percent of its revenue from taxpayers over the last three years, ACORN Housing Corporation's actions range from controversial to borderline illegal: • AHC has worked to obtain mortgages for illegal aliens • AHC relies on undocumented income, "under the table" money that may not be reported to the Internal Revenue Service • ACORN's "financial justice" operations attack lenders for "exotic" loans, but AHC has recommended ten-year interest-only loans (which deny equity to the buyer) and reverse mortgages (which can be detrimental to senior citizens) • AHC may have violated federal law by failing to maintain a proper distinction between its tax-exempt housing work and the aggressive political activities of ACORN Indeed, they are a real savory bunch.... Even as ACORN attacks other lenders for engaging in "predatory" tactics, the organization's housing affiliate offers consumers the very same types of exotic loans, including 10/40 interest only mortgages (which prevent buyers from building equity during the first 10 years of a loan) and reverse mortgages (which can be detrimental to senior citizens). ACORN's pay-to-play attack model has become so pervasive that in one internal email, a staffer writes that lenders view the forced deals with ACORN "as a cost of doing business." The CRL-issued report also raises concerns about ACORN's role in the industry-wide relaxation of credit and the decline in mortgage lending standards that are at the heart of the current housing downturn. One email obtained from CRL's whistleblower source reveals AHC's use of suspect lending practices to help potential homebuyers obtain mortgages. In particular, one internal document outlines an AHC policy that advises its housing counselors to use "under-the-table" income - earnings that are typically not reported to the IRS - to process mortgage applications for low-income and minority homebuyers. "The fact that AHC is counseling low-income consumers to take the very same loans it labels as 'predatory' is more than troubling," said Terry. "It is important for homebuyers seeking AHC's advice to understand ACORN's true motives, and for American citizens to know how their money is being spent. This report raises some serious questions that deserve a great deal of scrutiny by consumers and taxpayers alike." The Americorps Inspector General has similarly claimed that AHC misused Americorps grant funds to benefit ACORN either directly or indirectly. But one year later, the Americorps Inspector General would testify that "AHC used Americorps grant funds to benefit ACORN either directly or indirectly." She found several instances of cost-shifting from ACORN's lobbying group to the housing entity, and also found several instances of the steering of recipients of housing counseling into ACORN memberships. That's also important to recall when thinking about Obama's mandatory 'voluntary' national service plan. Very important. He launched his first state senate race in 1996. To borrow a phrase, he did it "the Chicago way" when he employed Chicago rules to invalidate the voting petition signatures of three of his challengers, thus running unopposed on the Democratic ticket in a heavily Democrat district. "That was Chicago politics," said John Kass, a veteran Chicago Tribune columnist. "Knock out your opposition, challenge their petitions, destroy your enemy, right? It is how Barack Obama destroyed his enemies back in 1996 that conflicts with his message today. He may have gotten his start registering thousands of voters. But in that first race, he made sure voters had just one choice." Not especially full of HOPE(TM) or CHANGE(TM) is it? Once he "won" his "election," Obama would go on to serve 7 years in the Illinois Senate but his record was built in a single year when Majority Leader Emil Jones appointed Obama sponsor of virtually every high-profile piece of legislation, angering many rank-and-file state legislators who had more seniority than Obama and had spent years championing the bills. During this period, he lost the 2000 Democratic primary run for the US House of Representatives to incumbent Bobby Rush by a margin of two to one. Obama then ran for an open US Senate seat in 2004, winning after Democrat Blair Hull and Republican Jack Ryan turned out to have scandal lurking in newly-unsealed divorce records. As an aside, I don't seem to see where Obama has actually won a contested election as both of those opponents dropped out of the race, IIRC. So, perhaps in fairness, Obama may have done quite a bit in Chicago but it's hardly anything to inspire HOPE(TM) or CHANGE(TM) or to give a lot of faith in his JUDGEMENT TO LEAD(TM) now is it? Cue moral relativism arguments and 'So what's wrong with what he did?' in 5...4...3...2...1... PT
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theplainstruth |
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Did Cindy turn you down or something? She has used her money for a great deal of worthy causes, of course you have the blinders on and only want to see the
drug addicted adulterer. If she were only a dem, you'd be her biggest supporter. Keep digging, maybe if you sling enough mud, she'll look as bad as
money grubbing Michelle, who hasn't done jack with her curiously new found wealth. You're too funny bro.
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N2B8R |
Never said she wasn't fair game PT | ||
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and she might serve BO's purpose better if she kept her mouth shut more often but I'm afraid that ain't gonna happen. I doubt it, but she could
cost him....she's her own woman.
Hey playboy, how much did you spend on your last present to a special lady? Or what did you spend on your last toy? I bought my lady a $1200 necklace last Christmas. My 42" LCD for the bedroom was $1400... In other words, I'm having trouble with her comments being out of touch. $600 ain't squat today....and I believe that was the point....you know, the one that flew right over the heads of the neo-cons. BO's not running on past accomplishments or lack thereof. It's his personality and potential that have the country fired up. While it may seem shallow, most of us would settle for someone who can actually articulate his thoughts coherently for a change. A modern, intelligent leader would do this country a world of good. Are there risks? Sure but dammit man, no more than having JM and his famous temper in control....or the past 8 long agonizing years with Dubya's finger on the button.
These times are so uncertain, there's a yearning undefined...and people filled with rage.
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PalmettoTiger |
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I was responding to Gshabo's line about Obama's work in Chicago = zip. It seemed like a fine time, since we'd gone off topic anyway, to review
exactly what that work was. While Obama is a very charismatic speaker he almost has to be in order to make reviewing his record a "distraction" from
the "conversation we need to be having." If he is to represent "judgement" and "change" then reviewing his record and what his
plans are ought to be first and foremost on everyone's mind in order to get an idea of what that means. Being a charismatic speaker also made it even
funnier when the Germans told him to get bent.
No, Michelle's point was understood but what got the "elitist" label hung back on the Obamas - again - is that instead of talking about what a family could do with it such as buy groceries or make a couple of payments on a credit card or other bills, Michelle thought about buying ear rings. Whether or not $600 - or $1200 or $1800 depending on your filing - is or isn't a lot of money is less important than how Michelle views spending that money. That's the point that's going you your side's head. Are you calling me or TPT the "playboy?" PT |
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U Dood... These times are so uncertain, there's a yearning undefined...and people filled with rage.
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theplainstruth |
What, I'm not the playboy? | ||
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That cuts deep N2, deep. I do think you nailed things pretty accurately with your last post. Conservative apathy for Mccain, anger at Bush, and the style over substance. Throw Barr into the mix, and you have the same recipe for victory, the Dems had in '92. |
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gshabo |
From your article PT | ||
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"After three years as an organizer, Obama could say that he helped some people get jobs and that many apartments were cleared of asbestos. But the
large-scale change that was needed at the 1,998-unit project was beyond his reach."
That is not zip. That's alot. How many people have you helped to get jobs? How many houses have you made safer to live in by volunteerinmg your time? I'd also like to remind everyione again about what Michelle actually said: ""You're getting $600," she told an audience of mostly African-American women here. "What can you do with that? Not to be ungrateful or anything. But maybe it pays down a bill, but it doesn't pay down every bill every month." "Barack's approach is that the short-term quick fix kinda stuff sounds good," she continued. "And it may even feel good that first month when you get that check. And then you go out and you buy a pair of earrings," she joked. " That's a big difference to what's being implied. |
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gshabo |
Now let me wash the thought of.... | ||
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PT = Playboy out of my mind!!
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