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mabwriter |
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Just read an article on ajc.com and from what I gathered if Burns improves his passing he's the man because of his running but if not it will be a two qb
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gfed2008 |
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Hopefully that's the case. Kodi needs to be starter. He is soo dynamic. A lot of people on here have forgotten about again...what he did in the Peach Bowl.
In practice and these practice games, he hasn't been allowed to have contact or done much running which is his strongest asset. Any decent throwing we get
out of him is just extra. Kodi will win games...Todd won't win as much. Once he is allowed to run and keep the DB's from completely staying on the
receivers and make them come close to the line, defenses will always be on their toes instead of knowing he's passing everytime like the defense knows in
the practice games.
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gfed2008 wrote: Try the complete opposite. We aren't running WVU's spread-option. Whether or not Kodi can run wont mean +%#! if he cant throw the football. You
need to be able to pass, pass consistently, and pass often in this offense. Right now, Kodi is nowhere near where he needs to be. Todd is a significantly
better passer.
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mabwriter |
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Franklin has said though Burns is a much better passer when he can move and so far it seems they have just had him stationary.
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That's what I was saying mabwriter...haha you just simplified it. Once he can begin running, he will look like a completely different QB. They need to let
him do what he does best or of course he will fall behind in the QB race
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mentonetiger |
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Burns performance in the chicken bowl was enough for me. His 2 touchdowns were both ausome! Todd must be some kind of freak of nature if he deserves to jump
ahead of KB. (IMO)
They both may be temporary until D Furr matures . |
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theplainstruth |
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If Todd is the starter, to me that means a heavy emphasis on the pass, and IMHO many losses. Our version of the spread should be a mix of both WVU and Texas
Tech, if it is to be successful. There is no way we can win a championship, SEC or otherwise, flinging the ball all over the place. If we aren't able to be
a physical running team(at least 60-40 run) we'll lose, it's that simple.
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mabwriter |
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If Todd is the starter we still have great backs. Just if the qb can run the defense has to have a man to defend that. Look at the Burns pass in the bowl for a
td. Burns ran drawing defenders leaving Fannin wide open. That is what we need. Not a qb who runs but can be a threat to run.
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metafour |
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gfed2008 wrote: And what proof do you have of that? Kodi was allowed to run around all last season and quite frankly he looked extremely inconsistent throwing the
football. He flat out needed a redshirt year but was forced into playing because Cox sucked it up and we needed to show something different on offense. You
guys keep talking about the Bowl Game...was he not 1 for 5 passing in that game (or something similar)? I dont know if you guys dont get it or not...but you
absolutely cannot have a QB in this offense who cant pass CONSISTENTLY. Kodi has a lot of talent but if you think he has shown any consistency you are off
your rocker big time.
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metafour |
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theplainstruth wrote: This is a passing offense, the offense revolves around the quarterback because the running game is set up by the pass. If you cant pass then you cant run,
which is why passing ability is significantly more important than running ability is when discussing quarterbacks in this system. I'll say it right now, our offense if going to look nothing like West Virginia's. They run a spread-option and it is
nothing like Franklin's offense. Does that mean we aren't going to run the ball? Not at all, the RBs will be very heavily used in this offense, but it
just wont be in the same way that they do it in Rich Rod's offense. His offense is formulated on running with the quarterback and using that to set up the
running backs...it is a very heavy run offense that looks to pass vertically when they do indeed throw the ball (which isn't that often). Franklin's
offense is built upon an up-tempo short to mid range passing attack that in turn opens up the run. It uses very little spread-option plays, and while a
scrambling QB is nice it is far from a requirement.
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mabwriter |
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No offense but what proof do we have Todd is a better passer? His one game at TT or his great community college career? No just what he did in high school.
Burns was a great high school passer also. Franklin said that himself and Todd has not been that much better in practice. Both have had a couple ints along
with plenty of tds.
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metafour |
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mabwriter wrote: Anyone who has seen both practice will tell you that Todd is significantly more advanced than Kodi is passing wise. You'd have to be a real big homer to believe that Kodi is as good or better as a passer than Todd is. If he was, he wouldn't currently be tied for the #1 role with Todd who has missed time and is still not 100% after suffering a shoulder injury...unless you want to believe the ridiculous conspiracy of Franklin making himself look like an idiot by "favoring" Chris Todd. Todd is a better passer, period. He knows the offense better. He progresses through his reads faster. He is more consistent making throws. He's just a better passer, and that is something you'll have to just believe... |
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mabwriter |
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I just think it is easier to teach mechanics than dynamic running ability. This offense is not just about passing. Franklin said himself the perfect qb for his
offense is one who can run. And I think Todd is in it cause of his shoulder. Franklin says no one is knocked out because of injury thus Todd is in it. Our qb
needs to do both and Todd having -57 yards last scrimmage does not look good. If he could run Burns would be out of it already. Whoever can do both will win
out which is why some think it will be Burns.
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metafour |
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mabwriter wrote: I'm sorry, but you are just wrong on multiple things, including what the QB needs to be able to do in this offense, the abilities of Todd/Burns, and
what has been occurring in scrimmage/practices. I dont know where you got your stats from, but Todd was the most impressive QB in the last scrimmage - going
17/25 with 3 TDs and 0 INTs. Burns was 7/19 with 2 TDs and 1 INT.
Honestly, if Todd was 100% healthy all spring this "controversy" would have already been more or less over. If Todd regains his arm strength I
expect a QB situation similar to the bowl game with Todd taking Cox's snaps and Kodi doing what he did (running the ball some and getting 5 or so passes a
game).
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theplainstruth |
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Hopefully CTT will demand a physical running game, I know he's learned that lesson the hard way. Dink and dunk passing, from whoever is QB, will only move
the ball between the twenties. When we get in the redzone we'll have to use some two back sets or we won't score TD's. If we run an air raid style
spread, we'll lose in this league. To win in the SEC always has, and always will, require hardnosed running in the redzone. I believe and hope for, a
mixture of spread versions, and I base this on CTT's track record since he dumped Mazzone. I am aware that Franklin's normal spread is more of an air
raid, but as I said, hopefully CTT will have his hands in this as well, and we'll achieve the 60-40 run pass ratio we'll need.
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mabwriter |
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Yes metafour those were Todd's throwing stats but he also had -57 yards rushing. And read the article. Franklin was asked what was the perfect qb for his
offense and he said a mix between Tim Couch and Pat White. Thus he wants his qb to be able to run. Plus to be technical Caudle was the best qb last scrimmage.
He had 3 tds no ints and over twenty yards rushing but if the qb was decided on one scrimmage why have spring practice?
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acAu |
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Honestly, I don't think that we are going to be flinging the ball all over the place. Here are the reasons:
1. Tuberville won't let it happen 2. Tuberville won't let it happen 3. Franklin knows that you have to run in the SEC We are just going to become a pass-first offense, which is good in my opinion. I hated when we came out in games and would just hand the ball off twice and pass on third. You look at LSU. We came out guns-a-blazin and we move the ball effectively. Most of our passes won't be deep throws, just under passes. Nickel and dime em. So, which ever of the QB's has the most accurracy, personally, should be started. Yeah, Kodi is dynamic, but if he can't complete the 5 and 10 yarders, then he doesn't need to play. And we will run the ball. Our backs are too good not to, and look at my 3 points above. Now, if it comes to down to Kodi and Chris, and they can equally throw the ball accurately, then you play Kodi because he DOES have that threat of running and evading rushers. Right now, I see Chris starting the first game. This is only because Franklin knows what he can do in this offense. I might change my mind come fall practice, but Kodi will have to become a more polished passer. |
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Tider4Ever |
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Is CTT having that short of a leash on Franklin gonna work out? Franklin seems like a fiery guy and like he wants this offense to be his. What's gonna
happen when CTT tells him to do this and that? I don't know, just thought about it, not saying it's gonna happen though.
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ATLtigerfan |
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Good question Tider. I wonder the same. imho I hope TT has learned his lesson in meddling from the past, and is growing into a head coach that will let trust
the o-coordinator. But we shall see. Based on CTF's personality I can imagine meddling is the quickest way for him to start looking for a new job.
By the way, KB looked great in the peach bowl, but let's remember he played a small complementary back-up role in that game. He wasn't the "man" who had to lead the team-no pressure. The contrast between himself & cox is what made him so effective in the game to begin with. Look to see similar use with him & todd in the upcoming season. |
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1983AUGrad |
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the pot stirrer.....
Grad - Official President of the Tre Smith Fan Club
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rr007 |
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Here is what an beat writer Jay Tate had to say about the QB's:
"OK, so you all read what OC Tony Franklin said yesterday regarding the quarterback situation. Chris Todd and Kodi Burns allegedly are in a dead heat. I dont believe that. I believe that Todd is The Guy, provided he's healthy, and Burns will be the second guy until he learns to repeat solid mechanics. Burns is not throwing well right now. A surprising percentage of his passes, I'd say 30% or so, are really wobbly. Many more are not placed well in relation to where the receiver needs them. Burns has a long time to improve. I know that. I'm not knocking the kid. I'm just telling you that he doesn't look like a dominating quarterback right now." Sounds like it is pretty obvious why we have 2 QB's in the running and not just one. Also, has anyone thought that not naming a No. 1 QB this spring will enhance the competition over the summer, resulting in 2 Qb's that are much better than they are now. All in all, I think the coaches know what they are doing and all this squabbling is a waste of time and energy. The best QB for the game will play and that will probably be dictated by the defense we are playing. |
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