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Ausome11		#31	[-]
TIGER OVERLORD Posts: 11744 (03/11/08 19:52:58) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tider4Ever wrote: Ausome11 wrote: jlr200311 wrote: even though its true? Hes just stating the facts... Did D.J. Hall get suspended for a whole game or half game? Has that been cleared up yet? Did Juwan Simpson ever get his ice cream cone? Why do your "team leaders" keep getting into trouble? Let's see: J.P. Wilson, Prince Hall, Simeon Castille, D.J. Hall, Antoine Caldwell, Rashad Johnson. I'm sure I missed other ones, but you get the idea. The fact that bammers are bringing up Tubby's discipline record is laughable. If there's any coach in the top-tier of the SEC who's discipline is least questioned, it's probably Tuberville. Yet another aspect where Tubby is better than Sabanapoleon. You REALLY think CTT would've cut Doobie Joint Hall's suspension in half to avoid embarrassment? I think not. Tubby is MUCH stronger on discipline than Saban: FACT. I find it funny that your pathetic tool of a mouth-breather from Center Point writes an article criticizing Tubby's discipline policies, because he's the ONLY one. How is Tray Blackmon doing this spring? 80% of the people you mentioned got in trouble when MIKE SHULA was the coach. Looks like Tray has turned his life around and left behind the bad influences at his hometown. The rest of the team has embraced Tray and with the help of Brother Chette and our TRUE team leaders, he can completely turn his life around, both on and off the field. Couldn't have helped that the incident happened in Georgia. (officers are UGA fans!?!? No way!?!?!?) Got any other players? Oh, just one? Ok. As far as I know, J.P. Wilson's DUI was while Shula was the coach. Regardless, there were also allegations that he hit/slapped a GA last year (under Saban), but that's just rumor. I'm sure Saban will set ol' JP straight, just like he's set all the other players straight. </s> I guess merely staying out of jail is good for bammer nowadays. Can't ask for too much more than that out of your players. Better yet, might want to get team leaders who lead by example instead of being arrested, getting caught up in a textbook scandal, and not to mention acting like gargantuan tools and sh*t talkers before the Iron Bowl (Castille and Hall). Did Simeon play in traffic so D.J. could sell his copious amounts of ganja like at a drive thru window for fast food?
theplainstruth	Tider	#32	[-]
TIGER OVERLORD Posts: 2005 (03/11/08 19:54:57) 5th Year Senior Tiger Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I am positive about all but Wilson and Simpson getting in trouble under Saban's watch. You can also add Brandon Deadrick and his 2 teammates that were arrested with him to the Saban list. Blackmon was suspended 6 games for public intoxication in his hometown. Lester served a 6 game suspension for academic reasons. Add to that list other players who were left off the team(Terrell Zachery) for all but the bowl game, for academic reasons, and there is no question who is the disciplinarian, and who is all talk. Unless Saban gets a grip on this publicly, you can forget ever winning an SEC or MNC. So far Nick has behaved like Shula on and off the field. The only difference being the recruiting. His attempt to address the problems in T-Town was very Shulaesque in that he likes to handle things privately. Which is to say not at all if they aren't missing games. This isn't high school, and extra running doesn't cut it as a punishment. Either he handles this publicly, with game suspensions, or he has no balls.
Tider4Ever		#33	[-]
5th Year Senior Tiger Posts: 560 (03/11/08 20:03:49) Benchwarmer or Converted Bammer? Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	You guys just act like Bama is just a bunch of thugs and AU has a bunch of saints. Take off the orange and blue sunglasses. Your program isn't perfect and ours is far from perfect. Saban will handle the discipline in the right way. Elder is not on the team and he never will be again. What Rashad did was not near as bad as what Tray Blackmon did but your quick to crucify him and Saban just because they are from Alabama. I am critical of my players and coach, but I believe that Saban has the program under control and going in the right direction.
theplainstruth	Tider	#34	[-]
TIGER OVERLORD Posts: 2005 (03/11/08 20:23:56) 5th Year Senior Tiger Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	What Rashad did was basically assault an officer. That doesn't compare to simple PI. We have sure had our share of wrong doing in the past, but we're in damn good shape now, because we make our discipline public. That is a must, if you want discipline to be effective. It does no good to handle things behind closed doors, except to leave a cloud hanging over the program. In a sense this is institutional at UA, maybe because of the law school, but they seem to want to challenge everything, rather than be humble and accept their punishment. Case in point, UA's brushes with the NCAA. They fought all charges tooth and nail, rarely admitting wrong doing, instead of accepting what was ultimately proven to be true. They even had coaches sue the NCAA. That would be funny if it wasn't patheticly true. When Auburn was caught under Pat Dye, there was little to dispute, they had them on tape. Our latest probation for basketball was part of the NCAA trying to end Mark Kamara's involvement with AAU bball in Huntsville. Ironically, Komara sent most of his players to UA. No investigation was made into the UA players. Nevertheless we broke the rules and were hammered for it, justly. I expect no less, would you if it were UA?
Tider4Ever		#35	[-]
5th Year Senior Tiger Posts: 560 (03/11/08 22:38:39) Benchwarmer or Converted Bammer? Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	theplainstruth wrote: What Rashad did was basically assault an officer. That doesn't compare to simple PI. We have sure had our share of wrong doing in the past, but we're in damn good shape now, because we make our discipline public. That is a must, if you want discipline to be effective. It does no good to handle things behind closed doors, except to leave a cloud hanging over the program. In a sense this is institutional at UA, maybe because of the law school, but they seem to want to challenge everything, rather than be humble and accept their punishment. Case in point, UA's brushes with the NCAA. They fought all charges tooth and nail, rarely admitting wrong doing, instead of accepting what was ultimately proven to be true. They even had coaches sue the NCAA. That would be funny if it wasn't patheticly true. When Auburn was caught under Pat Dye, there was little to dispute, they had them on tape. Our latest probation for basketball was part of the NCAA trying to end Mark Kamara's involvement with AAU bball in Huntsville. Ironically, Komara sent most of his players to UA. No investigation was made into the UA players. Nevertheless we broke the rules and were hammered for it, justly. I expect no less, would you if it were UA? Alabama fought all charges against the NCAA because the NCAA used a punishment that was harsh enough that it could have destroyed Alabama athletics. Rashad Johnson will be disciplined according to his actions. Nick Saban knows a helluva lot more then you or I know about coaching football, he's won 2 sec championships and a NC. He knows what he is doing.
theplainstruth	Tider	#36	[-]
TIGER OVERLORD Posts: 2005 (03/11/08 23:01:23) 5th Year Senior Tiger Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Under the circumstances the NCAA gave UA a light sentence. Since the second set of violations occured while UA was still on probation. They had just given SMU the ultimate penalty, and that should have been Bama's fate. If it had been my team, I would have expected the SMU treatment, and that is what we would have gotten. As for Saban, he isn't the same coach that won those titles. At LSU he was known as a strict disciplinarian, at Bama, he has become Shula. Either the man has the guts to punish Rashad, and any future rule breakers, publicly and harshly, or he will never recapture what he had on the bayou. The only way to deal with disciplinary matters is in the light of day. You don't have to disclose what they did exactly, just a harsh punishment to make an example. Only then can a coach control a team, otherwise the team controls the coach. That is an undeniable fact. My personal opinion is that he doesn't have the final say in these matters, or he would handle them the way he has in the past.
tigzilla		#37	[-]
Benchwarmer or Converted Bammer? Posts: 18 (03/12/08 04:09:12) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Last Edited By: tigzilla 03/12/08 04:26:20. Edited 1 times.
gshabo		#38	[-]
Knuckle Draggin\' Soldier Posts: 887 (03/12/08 05:32:45) Sophomore Tiger Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Saban will handle the discipline in the right way I'm just curious as to why you think so. Does Saban have a history of being tough on discipline. I might have Auburn blinders on as you note, but it seems like everything he's done since being at Bama indicates he isn't very effective at disciplining his players. 1) He changed a suspension to a half game suspension cause Bama was losing and then replied to the press "It was what it was" 2) Infighting amung players lack of team cohesion last year. 3) Obvious problems with the law 4) Taking players to a bar after having problems with drunken disorderly behavior. I'm sure this list could be added onto as well. I really am not worried about Bamas recruiting class. It seems many of them won't have the character it takes to do the job they were brought there for. Alabama in my opinion is turning into another Miami thug U except with less talent and no beach. They'll self destruct the same way unless Saban changes his tactics. Last Edited By: gshabo 03/12/08 05:51:48. Edited 1 times.
AUCatManDo		#39	[-]
Tiger Recruit Posts: 88 (03/13/08 00:29:02) Benchwarmer or Converted Bammer? Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Jonny wrote: The story is a little weird. Chesney is a huge UT fan, why would he want a Bama helmet? Target Practice? Spit Cup or Air Sickness Bag when turned upside down? Emergency Urinal when his tour bus toilet is occupied? Something to remind him of how far his Vols have come? He needs a good laugh? Needs something to give Dave Letterman to throw off a tall building? Reminds him of what a rich Vol named Kenny is gonna do to a groupie? Any more reasons, let's hear 'em.
AUCatManDo		#40	[-]
Tiger Recruit Posts: 88 (03/13/08 00:38:12) Benchwarmer or Converted Bammer? Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tider4Ever wrote: You guys just act like Bama is just a bunch of thugs and AU has a bunch of saints. Take off the orange and blue sunglasses. Your program isn't perfect and ours is far from perfect. Saban will handle the discipline in the right way. Elder is not on the team and he never will be again. What Rashad did was not near as bad as what Tray Blackmon did but your quick to crucify him and Saban just because they are from Alabama. I am critical of my players and coach, but I believe that Saban has the program under control and going in the right direction. tider, you believe Lil'Nicky is gonna lead the criminal tide to the promised land but instead he's going to put you through hell. When the $hit hits the fan and he packs his bag for the next plane trip to campus town USA you'll be the one taking off the crimson colored shades and seeing the light.

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