F@#$ing 3rd graders

Re: F@#$ing 3rd graders

feeds@yuku.com (theplainstruth) — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 01:58:13 GMT

There is a link between high IQ's and musical talent. I can't cite the exact percentage, but it does exist.

Re: F@#$ing 3rd graders

feeds@yuku.com (AU Forester 2002) — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 18:41:52 GMT

The NCLB act does have some good ideas, and I do not think all LD children should be seperated from the normal classroom, evidence of this is just like AUpaster's story. I have a cousin whom was placed in special ed, but to meet him on the street you wouldn't think he had a LD. However, I will say from my wife's experience as a teacher that it has many flaws. One of which is when they place a student with major disabilities, that disrupts the classroom with outburst. The said...

Re: F@#$ing 3rd graders

feeds@yuku.com (theplainstruth) — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:08:02 GMT

Very pretty girl Grad. You've done well my friend.

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feeds@yuku.com (1983AUGrad) — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:51:27 GMT

you can see her in the dj pics from a-day... pic with #42 at the tent....

Re: F@#$ing 3rd graders

feeds@yuku.com (theplainstruth) — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:27:41 GMT

I would bet that your daughter will be happy, regardless of what she does. Having supportive parents goes a long way toward well adjusted children. My youngest is a dwarf and while there are no motor delays, she has some physical and speech problems. I am sure that we both love our children and push them to be the best they can be. The reward is the smile on their face when they meet a goal, or adapt to a problem on their own.

Re: F@#$ing 3rd graders

feeds@yuku.com (Ausome11) — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 11:43:25 GMT

I'm a firm believer that every human being born has SOME form of a talent. Even though the girl that vet mentioned had a 50 IQ, she obviously had the gift of music. That's what makes genetics so fascinating to me. How someone can LEGALLY be mentally handicapped, yet create such works of genius.

The REAL problem is finding our true talent, is it not?

Re: F@#$ing 3rd graders

feeds@yuku.com (1983AUGrad) — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 11:34:28 GMT

She and I do have something special, and I understand completely what the PH D father goes thru.
Funny you should mention math. That is, without a doubt, her worse subject. Last night for homework
I was helping her do some "Balancing Your Checkbook" problems. She just has trouble comprehending
having a balance, writing checks ('takeaway'), making deposits ('plus') and getting a new balance.
I try to show her with real money how it comes and...

Re: F@#$ing 3rd graders

feeds@yuku.com (wcvet) — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 11:25:55 GMT

Grad I saw something on the science channel about this girl/woman whose IQ was 50 and she was musically gifted and had perfect pitch. She could not do simple math but could sing opera. Her parents were mentally gifted and both had advanced degrees and I learned a lot about being a father by watching this PH D father go over something simple( like making change for a dollar if you bought a candy bar) repetitively with his adult daughter with patience and understanding. But they also had their...

Re: F@#$ing 3rd graders

feeds@yuku.com (1983AUGrad) — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 11:18:38 GMT

.. and I will never let her give up, no matter the negativity she receives from others...

She had her IQ tested several years ago and it was in the 75-80 range (from what I remember).
One of her main issues is short term memory, the normal process the rest of us utilize (reading and learning)
does not work with her. Listening and learning works better. She is not dyslexic she just has a lot of trouble
reading and comprehending....

She has developed some...

Re: F@#$ing 3rd graders

feeds@yuku.com (wcvet) — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 11:17:58 GMT

My wife teaches kindergarten and in her case she says some of the worst behavior is from the smarter children(not always but it does happen). The hidden factor in these examples is the child waking up and wanting to do better. I think I would be way more inclined to help a child who wanted to do better and was doing all they were capable of rather than one who could do much better and was just creating problems for everyone else. As Gchabo alluded to it is not a simple problem and there are...

Re: F@#$ing 3rd graders

feeds@yuku.com (AUPastor) — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 09:15:59 GMT

Grad........I don't know what level of learning disability your daughter has, and even though my wife is a 3rd grade teacher, I don't know all the language, but I will share something with you. All the way through the 3rd grade I was a "trailer kid." I didn't live in a trailer, that was where the LD kids would be shipped out to every day after roll was taken for special attention and counselling. I barely made it through junior high and manipulated and cheated my way...

Re: F@#$ing 3rd graders

feeds@yuku.com (gshabo) — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 07:15:43 GMT

Thanks Tigerlily, but I honestly don't think teaching is ny more honorable than say roofin' a house but much appreciated!
Kids with true disorders are often hard to identify TigerLily. Does a kid have an Oppositional Defiance Disorder or was he just taught to be disrespectful and disobedient. Psychiatrists can do a pretty good job of identifying the signatures of behavior disorders if they...

Re: F@#$ing 3rd graders

feeds@yuku.com (TigerLily) — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 06:29:28 GMT

Grad, you and your daughter will be in my prayers. She is very fortunate to have you for her Daddy and champion.

Re: F@#$ing 3rd graders

feeds@yuku.com (TigerLily) — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 06:21:35 GMT

gshabo wrote:
Mainstreaming does go back before NCLB and isn't a bad idea. Some kids should be mainstreamed and benefit from that placement. NEA was right to push the idea into the school system. Prior, all kids with disabilities were put into a small group setting and that wasn't always beneficial. Often it was a way to just sweep those kids under the rug. What NCLB does is push all kids to achieve at the same levels...

Re: F@#$ing 3rd graders

feeds@yuku.com (1983AUGrad) — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 05:57:20 GMT

working with my daughter, both with HER and the system, has been the biggest 'job' I do....

day after day I must remain diligent lest something or someone destroy the small advances we make, (once a girl
told her that she would NEVER get out of the Dumb class, the calls I made that day made the sparing I do around
here seem like childs play)
all the while doing my own thing, watching my son grow up and taking care of my wife (keeping DJ from her is a...

Re: F@#$ing 3rd graders

feeds@yuku.com (wcvet) — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 05:41:36 GMT

Parents have a responsibility to teach morality and values to their kids. If not, they don't have a chance in life.
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Gshabo you are going all Rush Limbaugh on me this am. I thought LIberals though it was the government's responsibility!! SPecial needs kids have a tough road there is no doubt and the ones that have good parents (grad) may be independent and able to cope with society later in life but without some really good parenting they will...

Re: F@#$ing 3rd graders

feeds@yuku.com (gshabo) — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 05:37:39 GMT

Mainstreaming does go back before NCLB and isn't a bad idea. Some kids should be mainstreamed and benefit from that placement. NEA was right to push the idea into the school system. Prior, all kids with disabilities were put into a small group setting and that wasn't always beneficial. Often it was a way to just sweep those kids under the rug. What NCLB does is push all kids to achieve at the same levels and demands that all kids have access to the general curriculum subject matter....

Re: F@#$ing 3rd graders

feeds@yuku.com (1983AUGrad) — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 05:31:13 GMT

.. of an LD daughter, I have experienced lots of this.....

and I don't know all the answers.. I (we) just take it a day at a time....

Re: F@#$ing 3rd graders

feeds@yuku.com (PalmettoTiger) — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 05:20:39 GMT

Mainstreaming goes back way before NCLB. Since my dad was a guidance counselor, I recall them breaking up the special ed classes in Alabama back when I was in 6th grade(?). I don't think he was a big fan of the idea but the AEA (and the NEA) had their own ideas.

PT

Re: F@#$ing 3rd graders

feeds@yuku.com (gshabo) — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 04:58:03 GMT

I have no problem with holding parents responsible for their children. I also believe that weak parenting creates a host of problems. I see crappy parenting first hand as a teacher. Example 1: Today I arrived at school and found out that a parent complained that I gave a consequence to their child for his behavior. He stole Candy out of the treat box and filled my spray bottles with modeling clay. Instead of giving the kid a consequence, the vice principal spent 30 minutes kissing up to the...

F@#$ing 3rd graders

feeds@yuku.com (gshabo) — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 05:21:29 GMT

Wow just wow. And some teachers think 3rd graders can't learn:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080402/ap_on_re_us/children_s_plot